Thos Carter Sr. of Goochland, of GIles of Henrico
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In reply to:
Thomas Carter Sr, 1683-1738, who was his father ?
Glenn Hill 9/19/07
Hello Glenn - just stumbled on your post because of follow thru with Josiah and Mary Anthony.From the excellent work of Joe Carter and many others, we can state with certainty that Thomas of Goochland Carter Sr. (1672-1738 - note change of date) was the son of Giles of Henrico and Hannah Crews. Contrary to what you may find elsewhere, Giles was NOT the son of Giles of Cold Aston, rather of Theodrick. Feel free to visit our website and explore the Giles of Henrico Clan:
http://home.comcast.net/~zieman3/familytree.htmhttp://home.comcast.net/~zieman3/familytree.htm
How do you then descend from Josiah and Mary?
Patriot Josiah Carter
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Father:
Thomas of Goochland Carter Jr.ca. 1697--1763-04- Goochland Co VA
F:Thomas of Goochland Carterca. 1672-- Henrico Co VA1738-- Cumberland Co VA
M:Unknown (Carroll) (Baynes)
Married:
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Mother:
Mary Kilpatrick
F:Alexander Kilpatrick
M:Elizabeth Easley
Married:
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Child(ren) of Thomas of Goochland Carter Jr. and Mary Kilpatrick , married
1. Thomas of Turkey Creek Carterca. 1734--GA
2. John of Ballows Carterca. 1736--GA
3. Susanna Carterca. 1740-- Cumberland Co VA bef 1771-- Cumberland Co VA
4. Mary Dawson Carterca. 1741-- Cumberland Co VA
5. Judith Carterca. 1743-- Cumberland Co VA
6. Patriot Josiah Carter1745-02-10 Cumberland Co VA1822-09-10 Putnam Co GA
7. Patriot Baynes Carterca. 1747-- VA1788-- Henry Co VA
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Spouse:
Mary Anthony1754-11-17 Albemarle Co VA
F:
M:
Married:
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Child(ren) of Patriot Josiah Carter and Mary Anthony , married 1771-06-26 Bedford Co VA
1. Joseph Carter1772-09-10 Henry Co VA
2. Elizabeth Carter1774-05-19 Henry Co VA
3. Sarah Carter1776-05-17 Henry Co VA
4. Mary Carter1777-04-01 Henry Co VA
5. Josiah Carter Jr.1778-01-29 Henry Co VA
6. Thomas Carter1780-10-26 Henry Co VA
7. Christopher Anthony Carter1782-05-31 Newton, Baker Co GA1864-09-17 Cherokee Co TX
8. Rachel Carter1784-07-21 Wilkes Co GA
9. John Carter1786-05-07 Wilkes Co GA
10. Daniel Carter1788-04-01 Warren Co GA
11. Nancy A. Carter1790-02-22 Warren Co GA
12. William Carterca. 1791-- Warren Co GA
13. James Carter1792-04-03 Wilkes Co GA
14. Judith Carter1794-02-03 Wilkes Co GA
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Biography and Notes:
Patriot Josiah CarterBuried:
In brief, William T. Carter, the entrenepeur and nineteenth century industrialist of Houston, Texas is plainly not a descendant of Capt. Thomas Carter of Barford.(1. Below) As a minimum, there is overwhelming evidence his great grandfather Josiah had a brother Baynes and they were found together in both Henry County, Virginia and then Warren County, Georgia. And … it is now rather well documented that the mother of Thomas Carter Jr. of Goochland was a Miss Banes.The grandfather Christopher Anthony Carter is then rather well documented in Georgia (2. Below).Many genealogies rely on:
"Josiah Carter, 1745-1822: His forebears, Descendants, and Allied Families"
Randolph A. Malone - McNaughton & Gunn, Inc. Ann Arbor, Michigan, 1989
[Although not perfect, proven to be one of the better books]
Here's the source of the fallecious claim to Capt. Thomas Carter of Barford
Josiah Carter & Mary Anthony, Warren Co., GA
Posted by: Heather Free (ID 2244) Date: April 26, 2004 [Bob Johnson proven to be an excellent researcher]
In Reply to: Josiah Carter & Mary Anthony, Warren Co., GA by Robert C Johnston Jr
Robert,
"I do not have alot on this family but I will tell you what I do have. I tend to search a direct
line instead of veering off into any direction as of yet so I can only give you what I have.
Major Josiah Carter Sr. was born 10 Feb. 1745 in Bedford or Goochland Virginia. He died
10 September 1822 in Putnam, Georgia".
"His father was Thomas Carter, twin to Katherine Carter.His mother
was Mary Baynes. I do not have any other information on Mary."
[How could anyone have gotten to Mary Baynes and then wind up in Barford???]
[Thomas of Gloucester Carter, son of Edward and Elizabeth Thornton Carter and twin of Katherine (as proven by the Prayer Book),m.1. Sarah Hayne m.2. Ann Wales; he is well documented and did NOT have a son Josiah, as proven by the bible of his sister, Alice Carter Griggs.On ther other hand, Baines or Baynes Carter is the proven brother of Josiah of Thomas of Goochland Carter Jr. and Mary Kilpatrick]:
"Josiah II's wife was Mary (Mollie) Anthony, born 17 Nov. 1754 in Albermarle,Bedford County, Virginia.
They were married on 26 June, 1771 in Bedford County, Virginia.
Children:
1. Joseph Carter b. September 10, 1772 in Pittsylvania County, Virginia. [Henry]
2. Elizabeth Carter b. MAy 19, 1774 in Pittsylvania County, Virginia. [Henry]
3. Sarah Carter b. May 17, 1776 in Henry County, Virginia.
4. Mary Carter b. April 1, 1777 in Henry County, Virginia
5. Josiah Carter Jr. b. January 29, 1778 in Henry County, Virginia.
6. Thomas Carter b. October 26, 1780in Henry County, Virginia.
7. Christopher Anthony Carter b. May 31, 1782 in Newton, Baker, Georgia.
8. Rachel Carter b. July 21, 1784 in Wilkes County, Georgia.
9. John Carter b. May 7, 1786 in Putnam, Henry County, Georgia.
10. Daniel Carter b. April 1, 1788 in Warren County, Georgia.
11. Nancy A. Carter b. February 22, 1790 in Georgia. (believe she was born either Wilkes or Warren County
but I have not found proof of either so I can only say Georgia.)
12. William Carter b. abt. 1791 in Georgia. (This is my line in this bunch and I have the same trouble with his
place of birth as with Nancy's above but I have not been able to find his correct date of birth yet either.)
13. James Carter b. April 3, 1792 in Wilkes County,Georgia.
14. Judith Carter b. February 3, 1794 in Wilkes County, Georgia".
Despite the major error in ancestry, the data to Georgia appears to be complete, fair and balanced?
Was the father of Christopher a Major in Virginia or a Private in Georgia?
Sub Topic: was he born 1735 or 1745?The answer seems to lie in the cited brother Baynes in Georgia.
From USGenWeb, posted by Gerry [email protected]
"Descendants of Josiah Carter" (from the Malone book?)Pvt RS Ga - Generation No. 1
1. JOSIAH1 CARTER PVT RS GA born February 10, 1744/45 in Bedford, VA, died September 10, 1822 in Putnam, GA.He married MARY MENGES ANTHONY July 04, 1771 in Bedford, VA.
She was born November 17, 1754 in Albermarle, VA, and died June 22, 1820 in Hancock, GA.
He was the son of Thomas Carter & Mary Baynes of Goochland Co. VA. Grandson of Capt. Thomas & Arabellia Williamson of Spotsylvania Co. Va. line of Capt. Thomas Carter & Catherine Dale.
False … False … False …
Repeat: How could anyone have gotten to Mary Baynes and then wind up in Barford???
Thomas and Arabella of The Northern Neck were never in Spotsylvania!!!
Thomas of Goochland was never near Spotsylvania!!!
Wake up, this is up there with the Halucinations of Dr. Miller!!!
Hard to say if the grevious error was with the History of Georgia, or with "The Descendants of Josiah Carter" by Malone; our notes and Bios are ridiled with the admonition: "Throw The Bloody Books Away".
1. Email of 7 Jan 2009 from Mary Ann- now proven descendant of William Presley Carter of Halifax:
I have a fun story for you.
In the early 1900's there were two prominent Carter families that lived in Houston,
Texas.One was Samuel Fain Carter (son of JQA, son of William P); the other was
William T Carter (1856-1921).Both did well in the lumber business, started banks and
then built buildings. (Samuel Fain's building was at the time the tallest in Houston
and was called 'Carter's Folly' because they didn't think you could stack bricks 14
stories high without them falling down!)
I was in Houston as a very young girl in the early 1950's. I was driven around to see
the old Carter houses.At one point, my aunt told me about their being two Carter
families in Houston. She said that they were business competitors, their children were
neighbors, AND they were related. Census records and biographies verify their being
competitors and neighbors. But, until today I couldn't verify that they were indeed
family.
Last year I was in Houston and visited Glenwood Cemetery where both of these Carter
families are buried.Apparently they were competitors in death also. They both built
very large cemetery monuments as far from each other as possible. The Glenwood
cemetery historian was notified when I asked for the locations of both families of
Carters.I was told that they were not related.I told her that 'my aunt said that
they were.'
I have these other, William T Carters in my 'Texas Carter' tree on Ancestry.com with
pictures of their cemetery monument. They are descended from the Thomas Carter b1630
who married Katherine Dale. Your website now shows this same Thomas Carter who married
Katherine Dale to be an ancestor of William Presley Carter, grandfather of Samuel Fain
Carter.I can't wait to tell the Glenwood cemetery historian that I have found this
connection!
Mary Ann
Sorry Mary Ann, your aunt fell into The Book Trap.Throw The Bloody Books Away!
2. William Thomas Carter and Maude Lenore Holley
Posted by: Joseph Carter Date: November 24, 2001
William Thomas Carter born died feb 23 1921 known As W.T. was The Son Of Joseph John Carter born july 17 1826 in newton county georgia and Jane Eleanor Agnes Anderson and grandson of Christopher Anthony Carter and Sarah Whitehead Battle on July 16 1879 he Married Maude Lenore Holley she was born jan 16 1858 died 1929 in philadelphia daughter of Porter Jackson Holley and Frankie Mathis of Alabama.W.T.'s Children Were Lena Lister married to James Judson Carrol,Jessie Gertrude married to Judson Ludwell Taylor,Agnese Jane married to Frank Haywood Nelms,Aubrey Leon Married To Marjorie Leachman,Frankie married to Robert D Randolph,and one adopted son W.T.Carter Jr.a nephew,son of W.T.'s Brother Ernest.William Thomas was A very Wealthy bussiness Man That Got his Start when his Father Joseph John Carter Turned Over the Sawmill and Lumber Bussiness to him He Had Sawmills around Trinity,Camden,Barnum,Groveton,Livingston,and most all of east Texas,And He Owned Railroads Connecting The Communities and was in the banking bussiness in Houston Texas,The Handbook Of Texas Has W.T. Carter Listed in it And also List His Daughter Frankie Randolph Carter which played A Big Role in Politics.I will List other Family Members later
3.A. Updated: 2008-11-04 17:01:11 UTC (Tue)Contact: Nancy Jacobsen
[any RootsWeb needs to be taken with a great big grain of salt - here's a perfect example]
Name: Christopher CarterBirth: 31 May 1782
Father: Josiah Carter b: 1735 in EnglandMother: Mary Anthony b: 17 Nov 1754 Albemarle, Virginia Marriage 1 Sarah Whitehead Battle
3.B.Updated: 2008-11-04 17:01:11 UTC (Tue)Contact: Nancy Jacobsen[both good and bad info]
Name: Josiah CarterBirth: 1735 in EnglandDeath: AFT 1827 in , Putnam, Georgia ???
Note: Soldier , Private in Georgia Line under Elijah Clark and received land grant, 1785
Marriage 1 Mary Anthony b: 17 Nov 1754 Albemarle VA on 26 Jun 1771 inBedford or Henry, Virginia
Bradford Carter
Thomas Carter
James Carter b: 3 Apr 1792
William Carter b: 1791
Christopher Carter b: 31 May 1782
Fannie Carter
Sarah Carter
Serena Carter
3.C. Updated: 2008-10-05 21:47:22 UTC (Sun)Contact: Joann[who do we believe???]
Name: Josiah CarterBirth: 10 FEB 1745 in Goochland Co., VA Death: 10 SEP 1822 in Putnam Co., GA
Marriage 1 Mary Anthony b: 17 NOV 1754 in Louisa Co., VA Married: 26 JUN 1771 in Bedford Co., VA
Christopher Anthony Carter b: 31 MAY 1781 in Henry Co., VA Death: 17 SEP 1864 in Cherokee Co., TX
Marriage 1 Sarah Whitehead Battle b: 20 FEB 1790 in Greene Co., GA
3.D. Updated: 2008-02-13 22:15:31 UTC (Wed)Contact: Harry Doggett [someone finally takes it on back]
Name: Thomas Jr. CARTERBirth: About 1705 1Death: 1763 in Goochland Co., VA 1
Father: Thomas CARTER b: About 1680Mother: Penele CARROL
Marriage 1 Mary UNKNOWN
Josiah CARTER b: 10 Feb. 1745 in Goochland Co., VA
Sources: Georgia Heritage, 1807-1997, Morgan Co. Heritage Book Committee, 1997.
[We can not trust any Heritage book, any more than we can trust the census].
[According to Peyton Carter [excellent Carter researcher], Thomas Carter was married three times.
1 - "unknown"
2 - Penele Carrol (Also listed as Carrell and Carroll.)
3 - Susanna Baynes
I do not know his source for this information.I do not know which wife was the mother of his children.
Penele is the wife listed in his Will, but the Will was written many years before he died].
3.E From USGenWeb, posted by Gerry [email protected][some facts at last - in part]
*Marriage Bonds of Bedford County, Virginia 1755-1800,Earle S. Dennis & Jane E. Smith
Publication: Geneological Publishing Company, 1976 ReprintPage 14
JOSIAH CARTER and MARY ANTHONY, June 26, 1771. Joseph Anthony, surety.
*Rev Serv VA Mag of Hist & Bio VOl p 17 Henry Co VA among the persons who took the Oath of
Allegience before Edmond Lynn Esq 30 Aug 1777 were Josiah and brother Baynes. Vol I p334
[This of course completely contradicts the GenForumposting above] ***
* He bought land on Ogeechee River July 2, 1784 from James and Sarah Harvey. He obtained other land in
Wilkes Co GA on July 5, 1788 and he and wife Mary sold one Ogeechee tract. From Gone to GA Jackson
and Gwinnet Co...by National Gen Soc. Wash.DC.
* Henry Co. formed 1776 from Bedford and Pitts. Deed Jul 31 1778 to Josiah Carter and Baynes Carter…
land Grant Oct 20 1778 to Josiah Carter on both sides of Blackwater River.
* FROM DAR headquarters in Apr. 643728 A 641 Virginia Kendall Preston (Mrs. James Edward Jr.)
937 Warwick Dr. Macon 1984.. My Suppliment ties to... [Josiah instant a son of John???]
John Carter 10 Feb 1745 Bible Rec. son Josiah Pvt 10 Sep 1822 Goochland and Mary Anthony etc.
* 1822 Sep. 24 Tues. Died in Putnam Co. on 10th instant at Mrs. Charles Denham's:
Josiah Carter of Warren Co. in 79th year of his age. He was one of the old Rev. of 76. He has
been a member of the Baptist Church for about 40 years. Source G.J.
3.F. Email from D. B. Wallace on 30 May 2006:
There are afew more fact relating to Thomas of Goochland Carter that seem important. They should be posted to the forum at some point. Some of the following repeats what I may have already sent but it allows for the references I make to other paragraphs. [skip to Josiah]
Will of Thomas CarterWritten Feb. 14, 1760Probated April 19, 1763 - Goochland County, Virginia
Thomas Carter Jr.'s Last Will and Testament was written 14 February 1760 and was recorded in Goochland County on 19 April 1763. If his sons were named in chronological order, his oldest would have been Thomas [III], then John, then Josiah, then Baynes. In his Will, Thomas Carter refers to his ’Youngest sons, that is to say John Carter, Josiar [sic] Carter, and Baynes Carter.’ He also refers to his wife Mary Carter. Mary may have been Mary Kilpatrick based on the 1751 marriage recorded in the Douglas Register for Thomas Carter to Mary Kilpatrick.
“In the name of God Amen, February 14th, 1760:
“To my Dear beloved son Baynes Carter the land I now live on containing 225 acres with my house and plantation also one middle sized Rone mare with a white spot in her face. . .she and her increase forever also one new man's saddle and bridle.”
Beginning in the early 1770's, there was a migration of families from the Goochland County and surrounding area to southwest Virginia. Descendants of these families (Carter, Atkins(on), Dillon, Callaway, Tatum, Anthony, Bowman, Stoval, and others) can still be found in the beautiful and remote hills of Patrick and Henry Counties today. Baynes Carter and his brothers Josiah and John, third generation Carters, were among the early settlers who made their way south and west for better opportunities and more productive land.
A 1773 Goochland County deed shows Baynes Carter and his widowed mother Mary, now of Pittsylvania County, selling their home place to Samuel Coleman Morris. Beginning a year or so prior to the sale of the Goochland County home place, Baynes, Josiah and John had begun to leave records in Pittsylvania, Bedford and Henry Counties.
Don't Think an Eighteen Year Old, or a Guard was a Major, Eh?
In August of 1774, records show that Baynes Carter, about age 18 or 19, received pay for 82 days service under Captain Abraham Penn in the conflict between the Colony of Virginia and the Native Americans of the Ohio Valley. This conflict, Dunmore’s War, was named for the Royal Governor of Virginia, Lord Dunmore, who organized a large militia to ultimately prevent the Delaware, Mingo, and Shawnee from settling or hunting south of the Ohio River. John Carter, an elder brother of Baynes, served in this conflict as well.
Just three years later, Baynes Carter (age 22) and his brother Josiah, along with other citizens of Henry County, Virginia, were called upon to renounce their allegiance to Great Britain and swear their allegiance to the Commonwealth of Virginia. Their signatures appear on the on 30 August 1777 list of Edmond Lyne, Esquire. This demonstrates that both men supported the impending Revolution and qualifies their descendants for membership in the Sons and Daughters of the American Revolution. Josiah is also recorded in the Virginia Publick Claims for Henry County as being reimbursed for provisions supporting the war:
Monday, 06 May 1782: 5s-6 for 3 diets, 1 bu corn, 1 peck do. furnished Hugh Armstrong on march to General Greene with county lead; 4s-6 for 150 bundles fodder furnished Jacob Gore quarter master Genl. 1st Regt, Light Dragoons; 10s for 4 bu corn meal furnished a guard with British prisoners on march from the southward to Winchester; 12s for 3 bu rye for 4 teams on return from Charlotte in North Carolina to Peytonsburg by cert. from Wm. McCraw ADQM.
Friday, 24 May 1782: 42s for a saddle impressed for hospital at Henry Courthouse & lost.
Few records have surfaced on Baynes Carter but we know that he purchased “sundries” at the estate sale of John Hail in Pittsylvania County (Inventory recorded 26 September 1774). He also served as a guard for his county in 1777: “Henry County Levy is made to Baines [sic] Carter, guarding, same 5 days.” On 21 July 1778, Henry County deeds show Josiah Carter conveying and selling to his brother Baynes 89 ½ acres of land crossing Little Reedy Creek and Reed Creek to the mouth of said creek on Smith River. Over the next few years, several other Henry County land transactions are recorded concerning Baynes Carter. In 1780, Josiah Carter transferred some of his Reedy Creek property to his brother Baynes due to damages sustained by Baynes resulting from a grist mill operation. [This land is located near the present-day intersection of Route 220 and State Route 57 between Bassett and Collinsville, Virginia. Josiah Carter’s grist mill was still standing there as of !
1920.] About the time Josiah Carter transferred the Reedy Creek property to his brother Baynes, Josiah, along with a contingent of other Henry County, Virginia, families, migrated farther south to the state of Georgia.
It’s not until a land transaction on 24 June 1784 that we learn Baynes Carter has a wife: Baynes Carter and his wife Martha sell 221 ½ acres of land on Reed Creek to George Hairston*. To date no marriage record or bond has been found and Martha’s surname remains unknown, but other records conclude that Baynes and Martha had been married at least 10 years by this time. In 1788, just a few years after the sale of the 221 ½ acres of land, Baynes Carter passed away, leaving a widow and a son Jesse, age 13.**
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