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Re: Jennie Colman - Has anyone got Access to Ancestry World Wide please
Posted by: Carolyn La Porte (ID *****6155) Date: April 18, 2013 at 17:45:43
In Reply to: Jennie Colman - Has anyone got Access to Ancestry World Wide please by Carole Joy Anderson of 100377

Hi Carole,

There is an entry for her , but not in Canada Ocean arrivals 1919-1924 (as she arrived 1912)

But rather in Canadian Passenger Lists 165-1935

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 about Jennie Colman
Name:       Jennie Colman
Gender:       Male
Age:       33
Estimated Birth Year:       abt 1879
Date of Arrival:       20 Mar 1912
Vessel:       Royal Edward
Search Ship Database:       View the 'Royal Edward' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival:       Halifax, Nova Scotia
Port of Departure:       Bristol, England
Roll:       T-4742

In the image she is listed as age 33, a nurse
she is going to Winnipeg, Manitoba

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so while the ship landed in Halifax, Nova Scotia she was heading to Manitoba

The last available Canada census is for 1911, but the prairie provinces also did a census in 1916 so I looked for her there. I did not find her. She may have moved on or gotten married.

AHHH, I just got very lucky. I went to B.C. deaths - as so many people would go from prairies to B.C. in the early 1920's it seemed. Anyway I then entered any deaths for people who had parents named Philip Colman and Jane. Sometimes a guess like that pays off.

This sure seems to fit for you girl. She lived to the age of 93.

Jennie Jean Dagg
British Columbia Death Registrations, 1872-1986

birth:       04 Nov 1874       , England
death:       19 Apr 1968       Rutland, British Columbia, Canada
parents:       Philip Coleman, Jane Hutchinson
spouse:       Richard Dagg
Name       Jennie Jean Dagg
Event Type       Death
Event Date       19 Apr 1968
Event Place       Rutland, British Columbia, Canada
Gender       Female
Age       93
Marital Status       Married
Birth Date       04 Nov 1874
Birthplace       , England
Father's Name       Philip Coleman
Mother's Name       Jane Hutchinson
Spouse's Name       Richard Dagg
Tribe or Clan       
Affiliate Film Number       B13289
GS Film number       2033942
Digital Folder Number       004479279
Registration Number 68 09 006174


I looked for Richard Dagg and while looking for him found this son of Jennie

Richard Dagg
British Columbia Death Registrations, 1872-1986

spouse:       Jennie Coleman
child:       Robert Coleman Dagg
Name       Robert Coleman Dagg
Event Type       Death
Event Date       05 May 1984
Event Place       New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Gender       Male
Age       67
Marital Status       Married
Birth Date       29 Aug 1916
Birthplace       Macnutt, Saskatchewan
Father's Name       Richard Dagg
Mother's Name       Jennie Coleman
Spouse's Name       Eda Karrer
Tribe or Clan       
Affiliate Film Number       B13638
GS Film number       2073155
Digital Folder Number       004479507
Registration Number 84 09 008253

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and a bit more - Jennie apparently made her way back to England more than once

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 about Jennie Dagg
Name:       Jennie Dagg
Gender:       Female
Age:       40
Estimated Birth Year:       abt 1879
Date of Arrival:       24 Oct 1919
Vessel:       Melita
Search Ship Database:       View the 'Melita' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival:       Montreal, Quebec
Port of Departure:       Liverpool, England
Roll:       T-14703

The image shows
DAGG
Jennie age 40, returning Canadian, lived in Sask. 8 years, born England

Robert, age 3, returning Canadian, born Canada

Jeannie, age (cannot read - looks like 25 ?) returning Canadian, born Canada

Destination: McKnutt, Saskatchewan

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UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Jennie Dagg
Name:       Jennie Dagg
Birth Date:       abt 1879
Age:       40
Port of Departure:       Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date:       25 Jun 1919
Port of Arrival:       Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage:       Quebec
Ship Name:       Melita
Search Ship Database:       View the 'Melita' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line:       Canadian Pacific Line
Official Number:       136367

The image shows
DAGG
Jennie, age 40, residence Canada

Robert L., age 3 residence Canada

Jennie, age 24, bank teller, residence Canada

all are shown going to Lakestraw, Staimore, Westmorland

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UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Jennie D Dagg
Name:       Jennie D Dagg
Birth Date:       abt 1876
Age:       59
Port of Departure:       Quebec, Canada
Arrival Date:       13 Sep 1935
Port of Arrival:       Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage:       Quebec
Ship Name:       Empress of Australia
Search Ship Database:       View the 'Empress of Australia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line:       Canadian Pacific Line
Official Number:       145300

Image shows
DAGG

Jennie D., housewife, residing in Canada, going to Cragg Green, South Stainmore, Westmorland

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UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 about Jennie Dagg
Name:       Jennie Dagg
Gender:       Female
Age:       59
Birth Date:       abt 1876
Departure Date:       6 Dec 1935
Port of Departure:       Liverpool, England
Destination Port:       Halifax, Canada
Ship Name:       Montrose
Search Ship Database:       Search the 'Montrose' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line:       Canadian Pacific
Official Number:       145919
Master:       W Busk-Wood

Image shows
DAGG
Jennie, housewife, residing Canada, last address in UK 48 Close House, Bishop, Aukland

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Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 about Jennie Dagg
Name:       Jennie Dagg
Gender:       Female
Age:       59
Estimated Birth Year:       abt 1876
Birth Country:       England
Date of Arrival:       14 Dec 1935
Vessel:       Montrose
Search Ship Database:       View the 'Montrose' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival:       Halifax, Nova Scotia
Port of Departure:       Liverpool, England
Roll:       T-14835

Image says
DAGG

Jennie, age 59, widow, born West Rainton, England, living in Canada from 1912-1935
lives 250 Orchard Avenue, Penticton, B.C.

1916 VILLAGE OF MACNUTT, SALTCOATS, SASKATCHEWAN
DAGG

Richard, age 56, manager, lumber yard born ON

Jennie, age 41, wife born England

L. John, age 28, son born ON

Fredrick James, age 25, son born ON

Jennie, age 22, daughter, born ON

Flossie, age 17, daughter, born ON

so this explains the Jennie Dagg age 25 in passenger list - she was a step daughter to jennie

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Its too bad but the Sask. database for marriages is not yet available so I cannot find Jennie's marriage to Richard and the births database includes those more than 100 years ago so too early for Robert.


Jennie is listed in some voters lists
1953 - Okanagan listed as a widow, 1957 - New Westminster 1958 - Okanagan- listed as a widow

I looked again for Richard's death


Richard Dagg
British Columbia Death Registrations, 1872-1986

birth:       25 Apr 1859       , Ontario
death:       12 Apr 1934       Penticton, British Columbia, Canada
parents:       Thomas Dagg
spouse:       Jennie Dagg
Name       Richard Dagg
Event Type       Death
Event Date       12 Apr 1934
Event Place       Penticton, British Columbia, Canada
Gender       Male
Age       74
Marital Status       Married
Birth Date       25 Apr 1859
Birthplace       , Ontario
Father's Name       Thomas Dagg
Mother's Name       
Spouse's Name       Jennie Dagg
Tribe or Clan       
Affiliate Film Number       B13149
GS Film number       1953016
Digital Folder Number       004437658
Registration Number       51706

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Richard Dagg was first married to a Rosanna Jackson

I found births in Ontario for Jane Eleanor Dagg, Feb. 14, 1894
parents Richard DAGG and Rosanna JACKSON

Flossie Lunda Leah DAGG Jan. 30, 1898 - same parents

Lancelot John DAGG April 19, 1889 - same parents

Mary Ann Maud DAGG Jan. 14, 1896 -same parents (she is in 1911 census with family)

all born in Russell, ON

I did not find son Frederick James for some reason.

Richard and Rosanna were married June 15, 1887 Russell, ON

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as they were in Sask. in the 1916 census I had assumed (should never do that) that Jennie and Richard were married there, but I just found their marriage in Manitoba

Richard DAGG and Jennie CALMAN married Sept. 15, 1915 Shell River, Manitoba

and also found in that database is daughter Mary Ann Maud DAGG married William Thompson MURRAY Sept. 15, 1917 - so same day but different year
and she married in Winnipeg

I might be able to find more for you but want to get this to you as I know it is always fun to break down those walls eh.

Carolyn L


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