Re: Nancy Campbell
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Re: Nancy Campbell
Brenda Tilson 11/10/08
Brenda,
I had tried posting again yesterday but doesn't look like it went through so here is what I had found plus a bit more I found this morning.
1870 JACKSON SPRINGS, MOORE, NC - MCKENZIE BRIDGE
CAMPBELL
John , farmer, age 88 born NC parents of foreign birth
Catherine, age 78, born NC parents of foreign birth
Mary A. age 44, born NC
Margaret J. age 42 born NC
Sarah J. age 37 born NC
Catherine J. age 14 born NC
BAILEY
Angus, farmer, age 36, born NC
Deborah age 25, born NC
James E. age 3/12 born NC
CAMPBELL
James, farmer, age 70 born NC parents of foreign birth
Catherine, age 74, born NC parents of foreign birth
Flora A. age 72, born NC (does not say parents of foreign birth)
CAMPBELL
Daniel, farmer,age 46 bor NC
Jane AMC, age 30, born NC
Daniel P. age 10, born NC
Mary A. age 1, born NC
John A. age 1, born NC
1880 MINERAL SPRINGS, MOORE, NC
CAMPBELL
John farmer, age 98, born NC parents both born Scotland
Mary A. , daughter, age 55, bor NC
Margaret, daughter, age 52, born NC
Sarah, daughter, age 47, born NC
Margaret, sister, age 90, born NC, parents both born Scotland
all daughters show both parents born NC
CAMPBEL
Daniel B. farmer, age 56, born NC
Jane, age 40, born NC
Daniel P., son, age 20, born NC
Mary Ann, daughter, age 12, born NC
John A., son,age 10, born NC
William, son,age 8, born NC
all show both parents born NC
odd that in 1870 both Mary A. and John A, were 1 and now she is 12 and he is 10.
CAMPBELL
James , farmer, age 80 born NC parents both born Scotland
Catherine, sister,age 75, born NC both parents born Scotland
BAILY
Angus, farmer, age 38, born NC
Debra, age 33, born NC
James E. , son, age 10 born NC
Mary K., daughter, age 8 born NC
John, son, age 2, born NC
Luela, daughter, age 2/12, born NC - April
all of this family show both parents born NC
**so from this you now know that John's father and mother were both born Scotland.I suspect John, James, Catherine, Floraare all siblings and that John is the eldest. Of course there may have been others who are not in that area but assuming he is the eldest and was born in NC we know at least that his parents came from Scotland before 1782. Whether they married in Scotland or in the U.S. is unknown as are their names.
I looked in 1840 census for Moore Co. NC to see how many Campbell men show up - as that cesus only shows heads of family in index. There were:
Alexander, Archibald, Archibald, Daniel, Donald, Flora, George, James, Jonathan,Jonathan,John, Mary, Sian, and William
So if John's father was still alive he could be any of those men, and if he was deceased John's mother could be one of the women - that is if his mother was still living.
As in 1850 John had 5 children living with him - the eldest being 26 years old, we can assume that he is either the Johnathan or John from 1840. I checked the families of the two Jonathans and neither of them fits.
John Campbell 1849 has in his household
Males:
1 age 15-20 and 1 age 50-60
Females:
1 age 5-10, 1 age 10-15, 1 age 15-20 and 1 age 40-50
These all match up with the ages of the children with John in 1850 so I think this is the same family.
Now, if Nancy is also his daughter she would not have been with the family in 1840 as she was already married.
I checked 1830 and am a bit confused by it. I found John Campbell's family
Males:1 age under 5, 1 age 20-30 and 1 age 70-80
Females: 2 age under 5, 1 age 5-10, 3 age 20-30, 1 age 40-50 and 1 age 60-70
Male age under 5 could be Daniel B., male age 70-80 could I suppose be Johns father or father in law, but John should be age 40-50, not 20-30
Females age under 5 could be Margaret and Mary, female age 5-10 could be Catherine, females age 20-30 could be Nancy and perhaps other daughters of John that we don't know of, female age 40-50 could be wife of John and female age 60-70 could be John's mother or mother-in-law
So the only one who doesn't fit is John and I suppose it could be that he was put in wrong column?
The other thing I noticed in 1830 index is that there are three more John Campbells and each of them says John Campbell Sr. I looked at each of them in the census and one is a Jr. not Sr. - the other two it was too hard to tell for sure what it read Sr. or Jr.But of all the Johns only the one whose family I gave you fits for the John I have been tracking so I do think it likely for some reason either the male 20-30 was another son and John was not even listed in proper column or the male 20-30 was John and put in wrong column.That is my guess anyway.
I tried to find them in 1820 to see what age he is listed as but it is very hard to read - he is at the bottom of a page and quite blurry so not much help.
In 1810 there are 7 Johns in Moore Co. NC
Those early records before 1850 don't ask for place of birth either so that is no help in finding his parents.
The earliest census I could check for Campbells in Moore Co was 1790. Here are the names of heads of families in the index:
Alexander, Angus, Angus, Charles, Charles, Charles (Esquire), Daniel, Daniel, Duncan, Duncan, James, John, John, Matthew, Murdoch
I am wondering if John followed the Scottish traditional way of naming children:
1st son after father's father, 2nd son after mother's father, 3rd son after father
1st daughter after mother's mother, 2nd daughter after father's mother, 3rd daughter after mother
If so, and if Daniel is only son then John's father should be Daniel.
There really seem to be a lot of the Campbells there who never married. It would have helped if they had as if James had children then we could have tested the naming theory with his children.
I have a lot of Scots in my family on my Dad's side and they followed it right down to my grandfather who then mixed it up a bit by giving my Dad (first son) both his grandfather's names, but using his mother's side as first name and father' side as middle name which is backwards but the way it is.So my Dad should have been Thomas William, not William Thomas . My Dad then used family names for my brothers, but as middle names, not first names and my sister and didn't get family names at all - not sure why.
Back in earlier generations my Dad's ancestors followed the naming rule exactly. Another things the Scots would do is if a child died they would then use that name for the next child of that sex born so as to keep the name in the family. So in one generation my family had the name Thomas used twice as the first son died so a later son was given that name.
Anyway, it is something to keep in mind when looking for your Scottish family.
Carolyn