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Sonja: If you haven't done so already, try posting to the "Record Lookups" Forum. I believe that Ancestry.com has a database of marriages which comes from various newspapers in which marriage applications were published. It includes "The Los Angeles Times" during the period in which you are interested. Alternatively, check with your local library to see if they provide the "library edition" of Ancestry and, further, ask if it includes this database. As you probably know, California didn't start state-wide record keeping of marriages until 1949, prior to that date records were kept at the county level. Am I to assume that no one in the family has a copy of the marriage record for Joy and second husband? That "should" show her married name but I guess that would be too easy. I searched "The LA Times" using ProQuest Obituaries for Joy's parents but came up empty-handed. I subsequently found that Leslie A. died in Ventura Co., CA 25 October 1977 but I don't believe the obit database covers that year. As you probably know, he is buried in Forest Lawn, Glendale, LA Co., CA. Maybe they have an obit or other info which might offer some clue. Family dynamics are unpredictable but I find it a little hard to believe that IF the story is true about children being born of the first marriage, the grandparent(s) totally stepped out of the picture, particularly if they remained in the area. But stranger things have happened. I too had no luck with the 1940 census but census searching is not my strong suit. The Ventura Co. Genealogical Society has some excellent indices (obits, probate, marriages, etc.) but I came up empty handed there too. As you know, all good research begins at home so maybe you'll just have to keep shaking the family tree and someone will come up with that little bit of info which starts the ball rolling. Rick