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I also requested it be added........
So now lets get to work!!
Here is the Borgman family I am connected to..and what information I have been able to collect....Please look it over and give me a yell if you see anything that connects with anyone.....
Ancestors of Herman Borgmann
Generation No. 1
1. Herman Borgmann, born 1837 in Hanover, Germany; died Abt. 1870 in probably Kenton Co., Ky. He married (1) Catherine "Kate" Unknown.
Notes for Herman Borgmann:
Was a tailor, had his own business with eight tailors that worked for him in Covington, Ky. Died at the age of 33..born in Germany. He left Germany at an early age. He didn't want to serve in the German army.............note per Alice lees
______________Extractions and Comments On Them______________________________
Alice Lees in her family outline listed this Borgman as Henry, I've changed the name to Herman based on the 1860 census records. His daughter Rosa DOB coinsided with the information from Alice along with the name of her sister Mary and his wife Katherine's name. This leads me to believe I've got the correct Borgman. The two Unknown sons mentioned to me by Alice are not listed in this census so I assume they had not been born as of 1860. Further Borgman Census Extractions will need to completed in the Ohio Records, which is where I believe the family moved to based on family stories.
There is a Henry Borgman listed with a family (G. H. Borgman) living in Kenton Co. in the 1850 Census Records which I have extracted. In this census Henry's age is listed as 7 yrs meaning his DOB would have been 1843. His age in the 1860 Census would have been 17 so I doubt this Henry is the Herman (age 23) listed in the 1860 Census. (I had hoped this Henry was our Herman....maybe a middle name of his.)
The G. H Borgman Family doesn't show-up in the 1860's Census to check on the information as I've taking it in my above thoughts. G. H. is listed in the 1850 Census which I extracted on the hope he was in our direct lineage.
Henry Borgman does show back up in the 1880 Census with a family which I extracted. His age is 37 (fits the 1850 census) and Still confirms my interpretation on the documents.
G.H. Borgman's and Henry Borgman's Census records extractions are included for the sake of clarity and the hope someone sees something different.
____Herman Borgman_____________________________________________
1860 Census Record Extraction by Tom Focht at the Kenton Co. Public Libr.
Covington, Kenton Co., Kentucky
Page 172 (on the soundex index the page is listed as 174)....so I was lucky to find this!
Line 34
Address 1030 (forgot to get the street name)
Family Number Visited 1226
Herman Borgman age 23 male Tailor (trade)
Real Estate Value.....none listed......makes me assume he was renting
Personnal Estate......$300
Place of Birth............Hanover
Catherine Borgman age 21 female Place of Birth.....Ohio
Rosa Borgman age 2 female Place of Birth.....Kentucky
Mary Borgman age3/12 female Place of Birth.....Kentucky
ALSO LISTED WITH THE SAME FAMILY VISIT NUMBER
Mary Myers age9/12 female Place of Birth....Kentucky
(my thought was maybe they where babysitting this child or could she be a daughter of Louisia?)
The next 'family visited number' listed is for the same address so I again assume the building must have been multi family. Below is the family as listed in the census just in case they are related to the Borgman's, Maybe the in-laws....look at their ages and their kids ages along with their place of birth.
Outside of this issue due to the real estate valuation listed I'd guess this was either the landlord or owner of the house the Borgman's were living in.
Address 1030
Family Number Visited 1227
Frederick Callman* age 55 male trade none listed Place of Birth...Hanover
Catherine Callman age 50 female Seamstress (trade) Place of Birth...Hanover
Louisia Callman age 18 female Seamstress (trade) Place of Birth...Kentucky
Amilia Callman age 15 female Seamstress (trade) Place of Birth...Kentucky
* Real Estate Value $1600 no Personal Estate listed
-----------------------------------------------END OF EXTRACTION----------------------------------
Herman date of death is based on 1) his age at the time of the 1860 Census and Alices note that he died at the age of 33.
Heads of Family Census of 1840 (Kentucky) reviewed and no Borgmans Listed
1840 Census Index (Kentucky) reviewed and no Borgmans Listed
Heads of family Census of 1850 (Kentucky) reviewed
Listed G. H. Borgman 4-Cov-532(522)
1850 Census Index (Kentucky) Reviewed
Listed G. H. Borgman 50 Grocer Germany 266
----------G. H. Borgman--1850------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1850 Census Extraction Kenton Co., Kentucky by Tom Focht at the Kenton Co., Public Libr.
Page numbers 266 & 267
House number 827
G. H. Borgman age 40 male Grocer born: Germany
Mary Borgman age 36 female Germany
Catherine Borgman age 13 female Germany
Elizabeth Borgman age 11 female Germany
Duiah Borgaman age 9 female Germany
Henry Borgman age 7 male Ohio
Mary Borgman age 5 female Ohio
Palimony Borgman age 2 female Ohio
ALSO LISTED AT THE SAME ADDRESS
Jane Wesling age 20 female Germany
Adelaide Wesling age 65 female Germany
----------------------------------------------------End Of Extraction-----------------------------------------
1860 Census Index (Kentucky) Reviewed
Listed Conington District Herman Borgman 23 Tailor Hanover page 174 line 34
County District...None Listed
Herman extraction above.....
1870 Census Index (Kentucky) Reviewed
Vol 18....None Listed
vol 19....None Listed
1880 Census Index (Kentucky) Reviewed
Henry Borgman 36 Laborer Ohio Page 451 B
----Henry Borgman-----1880-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1880 Census Extraction Kenton Co., Ky by Thomas J Focht at the Kenton Co., Public Libr.
Vol 17 ED 123 Sht 14 line 43
743 Bakewell Street
Parents Place of Birth
Henry Borgman W(hite) M(ale) 36(yrs old) Born: Ohio Prussia Prussia
Mary Borgman W(ife) 31 Kentucky Oh Oh
Harry Borgman S(on) 6 Ky Oh Oh
Fredd Borgman S(on) 3 KY Oh Oh
Mary Borgman d(aughter) 1 Ky Oh Oh
___________________________End of Extraction__________________________________
1890 Census Index (Kentucky) Not Looked at as of this writing
1900 Census Index (Kentucky) None Listed Locally
1910 Census Index (Kentucky) (others listed outside the area)
Listed for Boone Co., 001 0003 0181
John Borgman H W 33 Kentucky Ky
Mary W 34 Kentucky
Clara D 05 Kentucky
Claud S 04 Kentucky
Mamie D NR Kentucky
(my notes: born 1877 after the Death of Herman so not his son
Actual Census Report not Reviewed)
1920 Census Index (Kentucky) None Listed Locally
_________________-End of Extractions and Extraction Comments_____________________
G.H.Borgman was also found in the LDS Ancestral Files along with his Family which match the 1850 Census. Further Lineage is Found for the Daughter Elizabeth. I've copied the Information but have excluded it from these notes.
No Borgman's Found in the Spring Grove Cemetery Records Besides Rosa who was married.
Children of Herman Borgmann and Catherine Unknown are:
i. Mary Borgmann, born 1860 in Kenton Co., Kentucky.
Notes for Mary Borgmann:
per Mom...july 1998
may have taught Piano Lessons
may have been Crippled
lived I cincinnati then near mom when she was a girl,
Jane may have taken piano lessons from her
ii. Unknown Son1 Borgmann.
iii. Unknown Son2 Borgmann.
iv. Rosa Borgmann, born 1857 in Covington, Kentucky; died November 14, 1931 in Cincinnati, Oh; married Charles Nicholas Lees.
Notes for Rosa Borgmann:
Lived at 2520 Montana Ave, Cincinnati, Ohio
Was a Catholic
More About Rosa Borgmann:
Burial: Vine Street Cemetery
Notes for Charles Nicholas Lees:
worked at the court house , Cincinnati Ohio for the republican party....note per Alice lees also was a ward boss
Lived at 2520 Montana Ave, Cincinnati, Ohio
Some Cincinnati Directory Extractions.....
(my notes)
1906 Chas. N. Lees watchman 936 Livingston (age 48)
1909 Chas. N. Lees watchman 936 Livingston (age 51)
1910 Chas. N. Lees watchman 936 Livingston (age 52)
1911 Chas. N. Lees watchman 936 Livingston (age 53)
1912 Chas. N. Lees watchman 936 Livingston (age 54)
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A review of the Kenton County Census Index Books located at the Kenton County Public Library for the following years was made during my Borgman search and the results are listed below. Note these are for Kenton Co. only and will not show anything beyond those boundries. Further Research is required.
1840 Head of Households
County District: none listed
Covington Dist: none listed
1840 County Census Index.....None Listed
1850 Heads of Households.....None Listed
1850 County Census
listed Thomas Lees 55 Laborer (born) New York 218
1860 County Index
County Distrist....None Listed
Covington Dist....
Listed Harriet Lees 60 VA page 19 line 8
1870 County Index....None Listed
1880 County Index
Listed Andrel Lees 47 Cigar Box Marker Prus 336
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More About Charles Nicholas Lees:
Burial: Vine Street Cemetery
Cause of Death: Pyorrhea
Marriage Notes for Rosa Borgmann and Charles Lees:
Outside Church priest was so nasty
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