I just was told of this message, or I would've replied long ago. I'm sorry that you've taken all of my remarks so personally, I knew you wouldn't agree with all of my remarks but I was hoping to open up a dialog about the Barneycastles, since this message board isn't very active.
First of all, let me say that I am not taking issue with some of your remarks because I'm ashamed of Indian heritage. Native American ancestry is a proud and admirable heritage, and if I could be convinced of it I would indeed be thrilled. I would love to be a part of this wonderful - and yes, horribly abused - heritage.
My problems come from my training as a researcher, and from the need to have at least a modicum of facts to back up theories. I know you take issue with this because Native Americans were disenfranchised, and therefore had no written records. In my last email, I disparaged oral traditions because I've never seen one that was correct, but you're right, I shouldn't be so dismissive, and I apologize for that.
So let me present my problems with your last email. This is not personal, and I know you've done extensive research. Believe it or not, I'm open to arguments. I just want something to back them up.
First of all, the bastardy bonds and apprenticeships have nothing to do with the "British Dogs" oppressing the Indians. James Barneycastle was the father of a bastard, and the woman wasn't Indian. The apprenticeships were common in colonial times and later, in order for a working class or poorer-type child to learn a trade and thus make a living as an adult. Orphans often were apprenticed, especially if there wasn't a family member to take care of them.
When I asked why John and James fought in the French/Indian war, I was asking why they fought against the French and their allies, the Indians. If they were of Indian heritage, why wouldn't they join the Indian side?
Saying that the counties of NC were renamed, thus giving a false impression of movement, doesn't account for the fact that Barnicastles started out in Craven County (by the river), moved to Bertie, and then many ended up in Rowan, which is quite a distance from the others. Rowan did divide into Stokes/Forsyth/Davie. Craven is in the East, Rowan the West.
Okay, this will probably upset you, but I have a copy of the land grants ledger from the Archives (it's found in a separate office from the general Archives), the original land grant document was being microfilmed and may be available by now. But in it, Edmund BarneCastle (as spelled on the document), was given a land grant by the governor on March 29, 1740, for 103 acres of land by the Neuse River. I need to look up the two wills you're referring to, since they're very interesting. What year were they made? But all jury and court records I've found spell it Barnicastle or Barnecastle.
Am not sure about the discussion of Barneycastle slaves, are there listings of slaves by our name?
Here's another question: could the Bertie county families not be related to the Rowan county family? The Rowan families were intimately tied to the Moravians, and I haven't found anything like that in the Bertie branches.
My Frederick first appeared in Rowan County (which changed to Stokes which changed to Forsyth) in 1797, when he bought land. He's listed in the Rowan/Stokes Census for 1800-1820 (he died in 1829). I believe he and John of Rowan are related. There's a Samuel of Stokes/Forsyth who fought with my Frances of Stokes/Forsyth in the War of 1812, but I don't think he's the same as the Bertie Co. Samuel. I didn't find the Frederick of Bertie in 1820, will look up.
All of my Barneycastles fought for the Confederacy, as did several others from the area. I'm not proud of that, I'm just saying that's the way it happened.
The only ties I can find linking the Rowan and Bertie families are in the naming patterns - Francis, Samuel, and John appear in both.
Speaking of names, you really shouldn't dismiss what I said about surname origins. I didn't just talk off the top of my head, I've studied this topic because it's so interesting. Go to the following websites:
this gives an overview of naming websites, many are no longer active unfortunately. But one of the better ones is:
It has the origins of hundreds of surnames, including all of those you mentioned. And yes, place names are very common, Smithwick is such a name. Smith means metal worker, but wick means a hamlet or creek, a place name (ie Smith's hamlet).
Other names come from deeds of valor, relationships - Jones= John's son,so on. I won't go through your list of names, but all of them are listed at that website.
The Irish name isn't Barneycastle, it's Barnecaschel, which is a place name- an area of Ireland.
Lastly, I'd like to suggest that we discuss this issue back and forth without anger, after all, we're really both on the same track. We both want to discover our origins. Let's not call people stupid, or use hostility in these messages. No one's trying to discredit you, or talk behind your back. I sent my email to the general forum since many times people don't read the replies. I figured you'd read it since you were active on the list at the time. I truly wanted your reply, and with this message I hope to open a dialog with you. We're from the same family, so let's talk.
Are there others who can contribute research on this topic, pro and con? I'd love to hear from all Barneycastles.
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