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Hi Lorraine!
Sorry, I'd meant to reply to your previous message.
English registers of births, marriages and deaths don't contain the kind of information that Canadian registers do, for instance. Let alone the kind of information that the Australian ones do.
It was only after mid-1911 that the indexes started including spouse's surname, for marriages, and mother's birth surname, for births.
To get the full info about spouses and parents, you have to get the certificates. No way around it. That's very easily done at that link I put:
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates
A certificate costs 7 pounds. It usually takes about 2 weeks to get it in Canada, I assume about the same to the US (are you in Canada or the US?).
Certificates can be got on site at the registry office for the district. If you find the birth at FreeBMD and then click on the district name, it will give you info about registry offices, I think. Yes: "Registers now in Southwark district."
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/regoff.html#251
The Register Office, 34 Peckham Road, London, SE5 8QA.
Tel: 020 7525 7651. Fax: 020 7525 7652.
E-mail: registrars@southwark.gov.uk
I think a search can be done at the office to find all children of the couple, e.g.
Getting the marriage cert at the same time would give the couple's fathers' names, and they might be able to search a little farther back than that, then, if the family had been in that district for more than a generation.
I don't think there's much chance these are *not* your ancestors!
The Canadian site you're referring to is for the 1901 and 1911 census. In the UK, only the 1901 census is publicly available at the moment. However, you can get access to the 1911 census records for a particular address, if you know the address.
You would have the address on the 1910 Mary birth cert and the address on the 1912 Walter birth cert. If they were the same, you'd know they were there in 1911. Otherwise, you could guess at one, or request both. The only info that won't be disclosed is "personal info", which means disability status.
Info about ordering is here:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/1911census/
It costs 45 pounds, a bit steep. You'd likely do better getting the birth certs.
Remember, this was the parents' marriage:
Marriages Sep 1909
BARNARD Christopher George Southwark 1d 148
WARE Lily Southwark 1d 148
So presumably their children were born after 1909.
You said the children were
Mary, Walter, Winnie, James, Edward, Arthur and Joesph
so it looks like the ones after Walter were born in Canada after 1912. And those records aren't accessible after 1907.
I'd get the person who is in England to get the Barnard-Ware marriage certificate, to get the fathers' names and the spouses' ages, and then see whether there are marriages for the parents of the two spouses, and birth records for the two spouses, in the same district, Southwark.
Remember, too, that according to the census, if I found the right Christopher Barnard, he was born in Southwark and his parents were James and Mary:
Name: Christopher Barnard
Age: 16 (in April 1901)
Estimated Birth Year: 1885
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James R
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Camberwell, London, England
-- but I haven't been able to find a likely marriage for James Barnard + Mary at FreeBMD.
This is father James in the 1901 census:
Name: James R Barnard
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Southwark, London, England
And this is mother Mary in the 1901 census:
Name: Mary A Barnard
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James R
Gender: Female
Where born: Nunhead, London, England
I did look for a matching Mary in earlier censuses, but couldn't identify one for sure.
It does look like they would have married in Camberwell (Southwark) district, though, so their marriage certificate should be available at the same registry office.
Their eldest child was born about 1881, so the marriage should have been before that.
I think I put this in a previous post -- this is likely father James's birth:
Name: James Richard Barnard
Year of Registration: 1852
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: St Saviour Southwark
County: London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 34
Christopher's birth cert -- this being probably Christopher's birth:
Name: Christopher George Barnard
Year of Registration: 1884
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Camberwell (1837-1919)
County: London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 937
will give his mother's name, i.e. Mary's birth surname, if we have the right Christopher, which could make it easier to find his parents' marriage in the index on line. It might have happened in her home parish, which may not have been in Camberwell/Southwark. Or they may not have been married. Not all that unusual. ;)
So that should give the person in England quite a good start at the registry office!
You need the names of James Barnard's father/parents to trace his family farther back in the censuses, and you need his wife Mary's surname to trace her family.
Hope that helps!
Kathryn
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