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Hi Patricia! I'm not connected as far as I can tell, but I'll dig into any Barnards just in case (and any name at all, just to avoid working, heh). This could be your household in the 1851 census: Thomas Barnard 33 Elizabeth Barnard 37 Lucy Barnard 10 Robert Barnard 11 Samuel Barnard 6 William Barnard 8 Eliza Jones 19 They're living in Mile End Old Town. Problem, though. Thomas was born in Castle Tonegon, Suffolk, and Elizabeth in Ropsley, Lincolnshire. Those, of course, are Ancestry transcriptions -- I don't know what the Suffolk location actually was, and can't decipher the image. That Robert is shown as born in Stepney. This would appear to be that Robert's birth record in the General Registry Office index: Name: Robert Barnard Year of Registration: 1839 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Stepney (To 1921) County: London, Middlesex Volume: 2 Page: 452 If he's yours, you could order that up quick and easy, and you'd know his mother's birth surname as soon as you got it -- takes about two weeks. That household in the 1861 census is: Thos Willm Barnard 44 Elizabeth Barnard 49 Lucy Ann Barnard 20 Robert Barnard 21 Samuel Barnard 16 William B Barnard 18 Now hmm, though, it really doesn't look like the right family. Robert and Lucy certainly match up with your names, but we're missing all the other children you name, and have a couple of spares. He's just the only Robert in the censuses who matches up though -- there's one in 1851 who was born in Lambeth, but his household looks like this: Robert Barnard 38 - born in Lambeth Mary Barnard 35 - born in Lambeth Edward Barnard 11 Mo James Barnard 4 Robert Barnard 11 Sarah Barnard 8 Not the right ones at all. Here are what look like the Thomas and Elizabeth you're talking about, in 1851: Thomas Barnard 30 - born in Lambeth Eliza Barnard 29 - born in Edmonton Ellen Barnard 4 John Barnard 2 Mary Ann Barnard 6 but their children don't match up. Ah -- but Mary Ann does. And Ellen and John could have died in childhood and been unknown to you. So alrighty. Here's your Emily's family in 1861 (I should have started this way and worked backward as I normally do, duh): Thomas Barnard 41 - born in Surrey; machine printer Eliza Barnard 40 - born in Enfield Emily Barnard 10 - born in London City Henry S Barnard 7 Maria J Barnard 4 - born in London City Mary A Barnard 16 So it is indeed that last-mentioned household in 1851. I think you've added a bunch of kids to the household who are strangers to it! -- unless the other names you mentioned were children who died in infancy and don't appear in censuses. You seem to have mixed up the children of a different Thomas & Elizabeth with the children of Thomas & Eliza, who are really your Emily's parents. Here's the household in 1871: Eliza Barnard 51 Henry Barnard 17 Maria Barnard 14 I'm having trouble identifying Emily's birth in the GRO (fairly common name, lots of Emilys 1850-51ish in London/Middlesex, none in City of London), but here is Maria's, certainly: Name: Maria Jane Barnard Year of Registration: 1856 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: City of London County: London Volume: 1c Page: 57 So this time we can say it ;) -- order up the birth cert, and you'll have Eliza's birth surname. Just get your credit card out, and go here: http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ (I've checked the volume/page numbers against the original images for the Maria and Henry births and Thomas marriage in this post, and they're correct.) This would be Henry: Name: Henry Thomas Barnard Year of Registration: 1854 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: City of London County: London Volume: 1c Page: 71 FreeBMD has been a little slow, for some strange reason, with transcribing the GRO index for the mid-1850s. It also takes Ancestry (where I'm searching) a while to catch up to FreeBMD -- but no Emily there in City of London, either. She just may not be transcribed yet. There's a list at the bottom of this post of the possibles, from: http://www.freebmd.org.uk I would guess that this is your Emily in 1871, after her father died and she left the family household: Name: Emily Barnard Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England Civil Parish: Hackney St John Ecclesiastical parish: Hackney St John County/Island: London Here is her household in 1881: Robert A. Watkins 27 Emily Watkins 29 - born in Bethnal Green Arthur H. Watkins 4 Emily E. Watkins 1 Phew. Her place of birth shifts. In 1891: Robert A Watkins 37 Emily Watkins 38 - born in London, Middlesex Arthur H Watkins 14 Charles E Watkins 2 Emily E Watkins 11 Margaret M Watkins 4 Rose M A Watkins 7 Sidney B Watkins 9 She also loses a year per decade ;) -- not uncommon. Here's a marriage possibility for her parents: Name: Thomas Barnard Year of Registration: 1840 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Marylebone (1837-1901) County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1 Page: 251 One of the brides on the same page (it has four couples) is Eliza Watts. Unfortunately, if that marriage is them, they were married by the 1841 census, so no chance of catching them in their parents' households. I can't find them in 1841 at all. The transcriptions/originals are pretty awful in many cases, of course, so it might take quite a while to track them down. But you can certainly find Eliza's surname if you order the birth certificate for either Maria or Henry. If it's Watts, order up the marriage certificate above and find out Thomas's and Eliza's fathers' names. (If it isn't, go through the marriages in the GRO index to find the right one, and order that cert.) That should get you started! Kathryn Oh yes -- I was initially poking at your people because I've recently been in contact with a couple of people through Genes Reunited who I was hoping against hope shared a grx3 Barnard grandfather with me. Their respective grx2 grandfathers were apparently brothers (they hadn't figured this out!) and their place and dates of birth matched up with my grx2 grandfather. We have just learned that one's father was James; no good, mine was Richard. The other one has a line drawn through the space for father's name on his marriage certificate -- aargh! Anyhow, it seems they didn't come from Bristol at all, but from London, which was why I took an interest in yours. Apart from just being addicted to the chase ... ;) Births Mar 1851 Barnard Emily Esther Shoreditch 2 475 Births Jun 1851 Barnard Emily Greenwich 5 220 Births Dec 1851 BARNARD Emily Dunmow 12 80 Births Mar 1852 Barnard Emily Bermondsey 1d 99 Births Jun 1852 BARNARD Emily St Geo Sk 1d 139 BARNARD Emily Hannah Poplar 1c 544 Notify Administrator about this message?
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