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Hello, fellow Asbill/Asbell researchers,
This surname study now has a total of eighteen participants. These consist of three ASBILLs, one ASBILLE, one AZBILL, eight ASBELLs, one ASBEL, three AZBELLs and one ASBYLL - we would like to have many more join this intriguing project.
Participants thus far are from Arkansas, California, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, and Texas.
IDENTIFIED FAMILY GROUPS :
We have identified six distinctly differing "ASBILL/ASBELL et al" family groups. Each group is comprised of at least two matching haplotypes as follows :
Group #1 : Two individuals match at 34/37 markers and are designated as being R1b haplogroup. Both lines have a history of immigration from the Ukraine relatively recently and both have Jewish family backgrounds – these two families are definitely related although a direct connection between the two families has not been found as far as I am aware.
Group #2 (Asbill/Ward) : This family is represented by two brothers – one has tested to 37 markers and the other to 12. They have a 12/12 match and are included in the R1a1 haplogroup. There is evidently no genetic male connection to any of the other Asbill/Asbell families within many thousands of years. However, there is a 35/37 match to a researcher belonging to the WARD surname study and there is evidence of several young Asbell boys having a Thomas Ward named as their guardian in NC in mid 18th century. This possible connection is being investigated and is felt to be quite promising in regards to this family’s origin.
Group #3 (Asbell/Rogers) : Here, two half/third cousins once removed match at 36/37 and are classed as being in G2 haplogroup. Their oldest documented ancestor is Aaron Asbell b. 1800 in NC – they descend from Aaron and his first and second wives. Interestingly, there is a 37/37 and 36/37 match with a G2 haplogroup ROGERS surname family participant. This relationship should probably be investigated further by testing to 67 markers to see if the connection maintains. This is the Asbell family my grandmother Susan (Susie) Alice descends from as Aaron Asbell b. 1800 was her grandfather. Here again, there is no possible male connection of our line within many thousands of years to any of the other Asbill/Asbell lines.
Group #4 : This line has become very well established having six members who all match at 35/37 or better and are designated as being R1b haplogroup. This research has been spearheaded by Bruce Morgan, who, with the help of six volunteer testees, have connected Y-DNA science with documented paper trails of four male descendants of three sons of a common Asbell father. This line is centered in Ohio, Illinois, Indiana and Iowa. The ancestral line appears to point towards Pennsylvania/NewYork with origin of this family line probably in Ireland. Again, there does not appear to be any genealogically significant relationship between this line and any of the other identified groups.
Group #5 : This group appears to be the only line that has a potentially strong male delineated tie to the immigrant Martin Asbell line. One member has tested to 37 markers and the other to 12. The haplogroup is given as being R1b. The 12/12 Y-DNA evidence of this connection needs to be strengthened by upgrading the 12 marker testee to 37 and by having more descendants of the line tested. This is Delmar Asbill’s family line. His strong research efforts appear to point back directly to Martin Asbell. More members of this lineage are needed for confirmation of the ancestral haplotype. No noted significant relationship exists between this line and any of the other identified groups.
Group #6 : This is the most recent group to make a Y-DNA connection. One testee of this two member group has 37 marker test results and the other has done 12 markers which match exactly with the first 12 of the full test. There was a suspected relationship between these fellows before the Y-DNA confirmed such exists. Now they have an established genetic connection and can accept their paper genealogies as being corroborated as far as being the correct family. No noted significant relationship exists between this line and any of the other identified groups.
POTENTIAL NON-SURNAME MATCHES – single testees
Asbille/Lawson : An extremely strong relationship has been discovered between an Asbille line and a major well defined group within the LAWSON Y-DNA surname study. At this point the matches with the Asbille haplotype (all I1a haplogroup) are :
four 37/37
two 36/37
two 35/37
one 34/37
three 25/25
one 25/25
There is census evidence of the two family lines living in the same county at the same time.
Asbell/Dean : A 37/37 match is found between these surnames – both of R1b haplogroup. Since this is such a large haplogroup found virtually worldwide there is a possibility this could be a random “convergence” occurrence. Inasmuch as this is a 37/37 match I believe the next course of action should be extending both test samples to 67 markers while comparing genealogies to find common locations within given time periods.
RESEARCH DISCUSSION
It does appear that many of this surname, and its variants do not spring from the single immigrant Martin Asbell line as has been premised by standard genealogical research over the past 100 years or so. In this regard the newly developed Y-DNA evidence is quite solid.
Much of this confused research has been caused by researchers following the erroneous information found in the infamous George Bennett "ASBELL book".
Current thought is that possibly several instances occurred whereby the Asbill/Asbell name was passed down from Asbill women to their out-of wedlock children and their sons continued the family name onward. And, of course, there is always the possibility of undocumented adoptions having occurred as well as a myriad of other non-direct-line possibilities.
Unfortunately these results appear to have very significantly affected the ongoing research previously seen within the Asbill/Asbell community. Many (most!) of our prior research needs to be reviewed using the Y-DNA spotlight to focus on the “brick walls” that have been so conveniently covered up by adopting suspect connections to the Martin Asbell line. I see much, much less correspondence about Asbill/Asbell matters than was the norm during years past.
It is a real shame that now that the strong assistance of the DNA genetic “tool” has been developed our research community has decided to become related to the Ostrich genus.
IN CLOSING
Please remember, your contacts with and encouragement of prospective ASBILL/ASBELL participants is our STRONGEST recruiting tool. Please use this tool diligently and often!
You may track the test results progress on the public group website provided by FTDNA by clicking on :
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Asbill/
Please contact either myself or Delmar Asbill with any questions you may have about the Y-DNA testing situation or about DNA concerns in general. We will make every attempt to provide answers.
Bill Harvey wlh@foothill.net
ASBILL FTDNA Surname Group Co-adminstrator
Delmar Asbill < drasbill@yahoo.com>
ASBILL FTDNA Surname Group Administrator
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