My Bates family has been strongly associated with central Alabama since my gggrandfather, Sidney Bates, moved to Chilton County in the early 1800’s
I received the results of my Family Tree DNA test last week. I have a match with Clement Bates. Clement Bates and family came over from Lydd, Kent County, England, in 1635, to the Massachusetts Bay Colony with his brother James Bates. He settled in Hingham which is on the south side of the Boston Metro area but is in Plymouth County.
I have spent several hours reading the Clement and James’ family trees on the internet. None of the these family trees had any member who came south in the time frame necessary to be the father of Sidney Bates, my gggrandfather, born in 1790, in South Carolina. If further investigation continues to yield the same results then the DNA test means that Clement Bates and I have a common male ancestor prior to the birth of Clement Bates.
I can not help but think about something my father said back in the 1960's when I asked him some questions about his family. He thought his family had come into the Carolinas from England(or Scotland) in the 1700's. Also he said, very definitely, there was a large group of Bates in central Alabama to which we were not kin. Now, as you well know there are lots of Bates in AL who trace to the Bates in Virginia. They would have been too distant for my dad to know of any kinship.
The DNA test is valid for male members of the Bates family. This means that if a Bates man can trace his family tree to any of the following Bates, then your family would also be part of the Lydd, Kent County, England, Bates.
Sidney Bates b. about 1790 d.28 March 1850 (then in Shelby Cnty)served in War of 1812 in SC
married 11-19-1819(from //www.familysearch.org/)
in Montgomery County, AL Marriage is recorded
in Orphans Court Ledger 1817-1819
Lucinda Honeycutt b. about 1802
Hiram bates is a brother to Sidney. Hiram served in the 44th AL Inf Co B Civil War
Children of Sidney Bates and Lucinda Honeycutt
Elizabeth Bates b 1821 d. June 7, 1881 in Wise Cnty, TX
Simon “SJ” Jackson Gentry d Feb 26, 1888 in Wise
Mary Polly Bates b 1820
m. Jackson Dennis
Susan Bates b 1824
m. Elisha Marcus
Thomas Jefferson Bates b 12-12-1828 d 1-27-1898
married Jan 9, 1853
Minerva Caroline Pate Hand b 1830 d 1862
Charles Sidney Bates b 1857
m. Margaret Wade Howard
John Bates b 1859
Francis Marion Bates b 1861
Sarah Bates b 1829
m. Thomas G. Coker b 1827
James Bates b 1830
m. Amanda McKee b 1830
George Bates b 1866
Bethana Bates b 1832
m. William Thacker
Martin Marion Bates b 1836 d 1925 buried in Old Shelby cemetery
married April 14, 1859
Sarah E Mahand b 1843 d 1919
Children were Della, Ralifella, J Clanton, & LB
Amanda Bates b 1837
John C Bates b. February 20, 1839 in AL d. February 23 1923. In the
1910 and 1920 census he was living in Selma, AL, 118 St Ann Street.
married 11-24-1861 http://www.familysearch.org/
Ann Giles b. 1839 in Bibb County, AL d. about 1875
Children of John C Bates and Ann Giles:
Newell Carl Bates b. 8/1862 d. 1929
m. Sarah Henley d 1918
both are buried at Hester’s Cemetery, hwy 491, Neshoba County, MS
Louis(or Lewis) Bates b.1865
Susan Jane Bates b. March 18,1866 d July 11,1935
married 11-15-1885 11 Children
James Pink Milstead b ? d 12-1936
Buried Plantersville, AL, Methodist Church
Lillie Alabama Bates b 11-25-1869 d 5-28-1930 Toomstone
info ( 1870 and 1880 census shows born 1868 ) 1880 census spells name Lilly.
William Chesley Barnes b 4-2-1873 d April, 1904
William and Lillie buried in Plantersville, AL Christian Church cemetery
Oscar Bates b. 9/24/1870 d. 9/4/1953
married Dora b. 8/31/1878 d. 7/15/1966 Both are buried
at Collins Chapel Baptist Church, Thorsby, AL.
Hilliard Levert Bates b 3-20-1872 (1880 census indicates 1873.) d 1-8-1955
married Julia Mott b 3-6-1883 d 2-19-1939 Both are buried in Christian Church Cemetery, Plantersville, AL
Florino ( son ) Bates b. 1875 Name from 1880 census. This is
probably the Floyd Bates listed as a brother in Lillie Bates Barnes’
1930 obituary in Selma, AL, paper.
Floyd A Bates b.8/26/1875 d. 12/1/1962
Married Sarah E. b. 8/8/1892 d. 12/18/1968 Both are
Buried at Pleasant Grove Methodist Church of hwy 22
west of Clanton, AL. Several Bates are buried adjacent
who may be children.
John C Bates
remarried 12/2/1877 ( from http://www.familysearch.org/)
Emma C Smith b. 9-11-1854 d 2-8-1923 ( Dates from toomstone). Census lists Emma’s Birth year as 1853 and birth state Mississippi. John and Emma lived east of Clanton, AL in the
1880 census but moved to Dallas County sometime before the 1900 census. 1890 census destroyed. John C and Emma Bates are buried in the Christian Church Cemetery in Plantersville, AL. Emma C Smith probably had a son, Decatur Smith, by a previous marriage, and is buried close by.
Children of John and Emma:
Cora Lea Bates b. 3/2/1878 d. 10/25/1933
probably 2nd wife of W H Gentry b. 4/11/1858
d. 11/9/1931 Both are buried at Collins Chapel Baptist Church, Thorsby, AL.
John R. Bates b. 2/4/1880 d 9/23/1936
Mary Lou b5/4/1887 d August 1918
Handwriting on 1880 census could be either a B or R
John R. Bates and Mary Lou are buried in the Christian Church Cemetery in Plantersville, AL
Dora Bates b. July 8, 1881 d. 7/1/1956
married John R Barrett b. 10/6/1883 d. 11/12/1963
Both are buried at University Hwy Church, Hwy US 82 about
7 miles south of Maplesville, AL.
Thomas Bates b. Dec 1882
Shelley (son) Bates b. Mar 1885 In Lillie Bates Barnes’ 1930
obituary, S. H. Bates was listed living in Toledo, Ohio
Gilbey(?) Bates b. Mar 1889
Nolia Bates b. July 1891 d. 1977
married Albert S Atchison b.1886 d. 1931 Both are
buried at Mulberry Baptist Church of hwy 22 west of Clanton, AL.
Calhoun Bates b. Mar 1893 Married Elizabeth (maiden name unknown) Calhoun owned/ran a grocery store in Selma, AL.
Hobson Bates b. Aug 1898 d about 1966 Hobson was a detective in the Birmingham, AL, Police Dept. In 1968 I talked with a policeman who had worked with Hobson.
All of the names above come from Census records, toomstones, or some contacts who have been very helpful to me. If anyone has any corrections I would like to hear from them.
If any of you see anything about Sidney Bates parents or about Bates from Lydd, Kent county, England, coming into America I would appreciate hearing from you.
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