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Re: Searching for my ancestors. Marion Turner Abshire
Posted by: Charlene Dunbar (ID *****3227) Date: February 05, 2004 at 19:03:47
In Reply to: Re: Searching for my ancestors. Marion Turner Abshire by SANDY LESCHUK of 876

Hi Sandy,

I did a little more poking around and think I may have found some previous generations of Abshire's. However, you will have to do some research on this to make sure it is the right line. All it takes is a slip in one generation and then everything else is useless. The problem is that not all records show the person's actual first name, but instead just have initials or second names are used.

I think the line is:

Marion Turner Adshire, son of
Josiah M (Marion?) Abshire, son of
Jaboc C Abshire, son of
Abraham Abshire, son of
Ludwig Abshire, son of
Peter Abshire (or other variations).
(the connection between the last three from research done by others - sites are shown below)

I checked the 1880 census ( for Marion Turner's father Josiah M. and found only one record that was close. This was for a Marion (born in the appropriate time frame in Virginia). The census unfortunately only gave initials for the parents. The only other full name was a younger sister, Victoria. When I searched the Tennessee marriages (LDS records), I found a few entries - two for a J.M. Abshire (#1 - Reid Taylor in Montgomery Co. and #2 - Mary Allen Bell in Robertson Co.). It made sense (to me) that this was Josiah (Marion) Abshire since his oldest son from his first marriage was name Walter Taylor Abshire. Possibly, the Laura Bell living with them on the 1910 census was the mother of his 2nd wife Mary. There was also a marriage entry for a Victoria Abshire to Joseph Sanders in Montgomery Co. and on the 1910 census, there was a Joe Sanders (nephew) living with Josiah. I have shown the 1900 census for Victoria & Joseph Sanders below (age is right - birthplace wrong, but that is pretty much normal for census entries). I went back and checked the 1910 census for the Abshire's and Joe Sanders age was actually listed as 21, not 31 as I had written (a very bad 2 that at first glace looked like a 3).

Below are census entries from 1850 - 1880 for what I think are for your Abshire line. Also, some marriages entries and a list of sites that hold Abshire information that may be of interest. Unfortunately, I couldn't find anything online with research past the mid 1850s on this line, so you will have to find documentation to link the information e.g. obituaries, death registrations (parent's names may be recorded or full name of spouse), marriage records.

LDS Family History Centres are in most major cities and although they may not have the information on-site, they have an amazing amount of genealogical information from all over the U.S. I checked their online catalogue and found quite a few entries for Franklin, Virginia, Montgomery, Tennessee and Todd, Kentucky. Films can be ordered for a small fee. The staff are normally very helpful. A list of locations is available on their website - Another alternative is to try to do some of your research locally. Most counties have libraries or research centres where you can search through records yourself.

I think I may have found Mary (Bell) Abshire on an old census, but need to check a little more.


Montgomery Co, Tennessee
Joseph J Sanders...head...Jun 1848 - 52...TN / TN / TN...farmer
Victoria Sanders......wife...Apr 1866 - 34...TN / TN / keeper
Joseph C Sanders...son...Mar 1888 - 12...TN / TN / TN...student
Meribel Sanders......dau...Oct 1893 - 6...TN / TN / TN...student
- Joseph & Victoria married 14 yrs, 2 children, 2 living

Census Place:       District 6, Montgomery, Tennessee
Source:       FHL Film 1255272 National Archives Film T9-1272 Page 249C
       Relation       Sex       Marr       Race       Age       Birthplace
J. C. ABSHIRE       Self       M       M       W       51       VA
       Occ:       Blk Smith       Fa: VA       Mo: VA
F. ABSHIRE       Wife       F       M       W       42       VA
       Occ:       Keeping House       Fa: VA       Mo: VA
L. M. ABSHIRE       Dau       F       S       W       19       VA
       Occ:       At Home       Fa: VA       Mo: VA
Marian ABSHIRE       Son       M       S       W       17       VA
       Occ:       Work In Shop       Fa: VA       Mo: VA
Victoria ABSHIRE       Dau       F       S       W       14       VA
                     Fa: VA       Mo: VA

(this is the oldest child of J.C. & F. - see 1860 census below)
Census Place:       District 75, Hadensville, Todd, Kentucky
Source:       FHL Film 1254443 National Archives Film T9-0443 Page 206D
       Relation       Sex       Marr       Race       Age       Birthplace
Lafayette ABSHIRE       Self       M       M       W       27       VA
       Occ:       Blacksmith       Fa: VA       Mo: VA
Louisa ABSHIRE       Wife       F       M       W       23       TN
                     Fa: TN       Mo: TN
Montgomery ABSHIRE       Son       M       S       W       2       TN
                     Fa: VA       Mo: TN
Mary ABSHIRE       Dau       F       S       W       1       TN
                     Fa: VA       Mo: TN

Elkton P.O., Trenton, Todd Co, Kentucky
Film: M593-500...Page: 474
Jacob C Abshire...41...M...VA...blacksmith
Phairbu Abshire....30...F...VA
(none of their children were listed - perhaps staying with relatives - will look again)

Southwest Dist, Franklin Co, Virginia
Film: M653-1346...Part: 1...Page: 176
Jacob Abshire..........29...M...VA...farmer
Fasibu Abshire.........28...F...VA
Lafayette S Abshire....6...M...VA
Louisa M Abshire.......4...F...VA
Note: - think Louisa M is L.M. on 1880 census, although age is off

Tennessee Marriages:
Jacob Abshire married Pharaby Teel, Franklin Co., Va. on Apr 10, 1851.

Southwest Dist, Franklin Co, Virginia
Film: M653-1346...Part: 1...Page: 177
Abram Abshire...79...M...VA...farmer
Phebe Abshire....70...F...VA
Abram Fisher.....20...M...VA (think this was a nephew)

1850 census:
Franklin Co, Virginia
Film: 432-944...Page: 128B
Abraham Abshire...68...M...VA...farmer...value of real estate $2,000
Phoebe Abshire......63...F...VA
James L. Abshire...27...M...VA
Elizabeth Abshire...23...F...VA
John Abshire.........25...M...VA
Jacob Abshire.......22...M...VA
Susan Abshire.......19...F...VA
Louisa Abshire........2...F...VA

Marriage Bonds of Franklin County Virginia 1786-1858 - page 14:       
Abshire, Abraham and Phebe Wright, Feb. 3, 1814.
Sur. Geo. Wright, Jr. 130. (this is the bondsman - according to one website, Phebe's father's name was George Wright)       

Tennessee Marriages:
The FHL # refers to the film held by the LDS Church - these films are available through LDS Family History Centres - not sure if the marriage entries on film would carry any additional information e.g. parents' names

ABSHIRE, J. M.                     
Wife:       Reid TAYLOR              
Marriage Date:       07 Sep 1887       
Recorded in:       Montgomery, Tennessee
Source:       FHL Number 321024

ABSHIRE, J. M.                     
Wife: Mary Allen BELL              
Marriage Date: 05 Jan 1897       
Recorded in: Robertson, Tennessee
Source:       FHL Number 425216

ABSHIRE, L. A.              (Lafayette? - see 1880 census)       
Wife: Lou BOWLING              
Marriage Date: 07 Dec 1876       
Recorded in: Montgomery, Tennessee
Source:       FHL Number 321022

SANDERS, Joe J.                     (see 1900 census)
Wife: Victoria ABSHIRE              
Marriage Date: 27 Feb 1887       
Recorded in: Montgomery, Tennessee
Source:       FHL Number 321024

PERKINS, B. F.                     (not sure about this one - Louise M Abshire?)
Wife: M. L. ABSHEN              
Marriage Date: 25 Nov 1880       
Recorded in: Montgomery, Tennessee
Source:       FHL Number 321023

Todd County Kentucky Deaths - taken from Todd Co, KY Genweb (Vital Records) -
......Name...........Age.Death Date...Vol...Cert #
BELL LAURA V...72...09-21-1914...050 24592

Ordering death certificates from Kentucky - (Kentucky Vital Records Office)
You may want to phone them first to find out what information they contain.

For additional information online:       

U.S. Genweb - - there are separate section for each state and withing the state, separate pages for each county.

Census Online has the 1850 census for Franklin Co, Virginia - also an index.

This is an Abshire family website that includes info up to the marriage of Jacob and Pharaby. Once you entrie the site, the beginning of the family is on the 1st page and then on the 3rd page information about Abraham Abshire and Phoebe Wright starts, including her parents/siblings (a little more than half way down the page). Gets complicated because Phoebe's mother was an Abshire.

This is a message left on the Abshire Genforum Board by the owner of the above website - has a condensed list of the family.

Another message from the Abshire message board that gives a little background on the Abshire name.,keefer::abshire::380.html

This site has some early information about the Abshires in Virginia.

This is a family website that includes information about the Abshire's. If you use the surname list, it may be easier to look for Pharaby Teel.

This is a series of e-mails about Abshire's. A lot of information that doesn't pertain to your branch of the family, but at the bottom of the page is a list of male Abshire marriages in Franklin Co, Virginia and a little farther up the page is informtion about Ludwig (Luke) Abshire and his family.

This is a book written about the family.
The Abshire Family of Virginia and West Virginia by James and Jean Abshire       

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